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Merit IRR & RADb webinar - Shared screen with speaker view
Steve Wallace
21:24
how is the audio for everyone?
bhicks
21:34
muddy
Mike Pennington
21:34
Perfect
Dave Diller
21:39
muddy^2
Mark Feit
21:40
Could be louder.
John Center
21:40
Ok
AdrianF
21:40
Hi, I cannot hear you
tururu
21:42
A little bit of echo
rayid
21:46
good
William Johnson
21:48
I can hear fine.
Jay Ford (uiowa)
21:53
muddy
Greg Grimes
21:59
It's definitely quite
Greg Grimes
22:04
quiet*
Adair Thaxton
22:08
Mitchell's sound quality isn't great, he could be a little closer to the mic.
Troy - UETN
22:14
Sounds GREAT here with us.
Hunter L Fuller - hf0002@uah.edu
22:23
that's moderately better
Hunter L Fuller - hf0002@uah.edu
22:27
still quieter than the rest
Josh Brooks
22:33
Audio is fine for me.
Mike Pennington
22:39
Time for new headsets! :)
Josh Brooks
22:41
May not be on the presenters side
Mark Feit
22:52
Better.
Dave Diller
24:07
huge difference in SQ between SSW and mitchell. is what it is!
Mark Feit
24:49
Low input volume makes the kind of compression they use with these video streams not work well.
John Dundas (CENIC)
26:00
Why isn’t the web site (demo?) SSL’d?
James Deaton
26:01
They're using a phone bridge via David's account so there will be that quality impact instead of coming straight from the computer mic.
John W. O'Brien (Penn/MAGPI)
26:58
Q: How would one obtain a NIC handle other than signing up with ARIN?
Michael Lambert (PSC/3ROX)
27:49
Just an observation—many of us don’t have the authority to accept terms of service on behalf or our organization. It’s probably prudent to run it up the food chain to get permission.
Scott Daffron (ODU)
28:56
So registration via RADB (as opposed to ARIN) will satisfy both HE and Google IRR requirements?
szajih saniatan
29:15
^+1
Jeff Bartig
29:45
Yes, there are several IRR options available that will all work for providers like Hurricane and Google that are using IRR data for filtering.
Jeff Bartig
30:01
RADb and ARIN are the two most popular for North American networks.
Mark
34:04
Hello, Will you be providing access to the slides after the meeting? Thanks a lot.
Theo Lavis - MCNC
41:35
Do you verify that the Aut-num doesn't exist in any other DBs?
Steve Wallace
42:54
I believe that the separate IRRs may have overlapping and duplicating objects
Theo Lavis - MCNC
43:12
In the case of multiple objects in various DBs, how do you determine precedence?
Steve Wallace
44:14
I may be wrong, but my impression is that if any one of them contains something that a peer would interpret as allowing a prefix, that’s the one that will be used.
Steve Wallace
44:33
JeffB would know better.
Andrew Gallo (GWU)
46:27
for 'simple', non-transit networks, no customers...is creating an AS-SET required? Recommended?
Jeff Bartig
47:51
Any networks using IRR data for filtering may have different algorithms that determine how they handle duplicate/conflicting objects found in IRRs. It is best to clean up cruft that isn’t needed or isn’t accurate.
Jeff Bartig
48:49
Andrew: If your ‘simple non-transit’ network actively peers with other networks and has a record in peeringdb.com, I would recommend creating an AS-SET that contains just the single ASN.
bhicks
48:53
Can you reference another RADB users’s as-set in your as-set?
Andrew Gallo (GWU)
49:14
Thank you, Jeff
Jeff Bartig
49:19
Yes, an AS-SET may reference other AS-SET names.
Dave Diller
49:43
soooo, I can include AS-GOOGLE in my AS-SET and peers will allow me to announce 8/8?!
Tommy Phillips
50:10
My organization is already registered with ARIN. Will we be discussing anything other than how to register with RADb?
Theo Lavis - MCNC
50:52
How does RADb handle a query for an AS that has autnums in multiple DBs? does it return all results? or does it return the local one, or the most recent one? or some other criteria?
Dave Diller
50:54
would be interested in hearing about pros and cons for using RADB vs ARIN for those that are able to work with ARIN as mentioned.
Mike Pennington
52:50
Almost looks like RADB is a front end for ARIN's system
Jeff Bartig
52:52
Dave: Correct, there is minimal authorization checking in the IRRs. You could add Google’s ASN or AS-SET to your AS-SET.
Larry Blunk - Merit (AS237)
52:53
By default, the RADB whois server returns matching results from all mirrored registries. You can restrict which registries you want to query with the "-s" whois flag.
John Kristoff
53:34
a former transit provider has one of my prefixes listed as a route object, I will send them a note to get rid of it, but does radb also want me to alert them? I am not currently an radb user
Andrew Gallo (GWU)
53:51
Dave- I've used both. ARIN still uses email templates. Isn't as easy to use. Hopefully that will change soon.
Michael Lambert (PSC/3ROX)
54:29
RADB also supports email templates. I prefer that to the GUI.
bhicks
54:57
You can also upload text files, which is my preferred
AJ
55:03
Is there an exposed API for setting up multiple route objects?
Scott Daffron (ODU)
55:07
Is it possible to set up something like "/16 le /24"? Or must all of our prefixes match the exact prefix listed in RADB?
Brad Fleming
55:19
John - That’s been my experience. We found a couple hundred proxy registered objects with the wrong origin ASN or prefix length. I did whois lookups and contacted the email on the maintainer. I included the output of the whois and nobody really gave me any static.
Andrew Gallo (GWU)
55:24
Once you have the templates, it's straight forward. My problem with ARIN is that there were (and I assume still are) undocumented password restrictions. took me a while to figure that out
John Kristoff
57:11
brad: thx
Theo Lavis - MCNC
57:29
Scott - I have seen some carriers (like NTT) specify that they look for the exact prefix.
Michael Lambert (PSC/3ROX)
57:56
Is there any RADB functionality that is available via the web interface that isn’t available via email (or vice-versa)?
Scott Daffron (ODU)
57:59
Bummer. Thx Theo.
robertbass
58:41
What’s the timeline to have this done by?
Adair Thaxton
59:07
Google has announced their intention to begin filtering by September. That date has already been pushed back once.
John W. O'Brien (Penn/MAGPI)
59:22
Where are the docs for \!m \!i \!g etc?
Kapil Agrawal
59:27
@AJ - https://api.radb.net/doc
Larry Blunk - Merit (AS237)
01:00:03
route/route6 objects do not support prefix length ranges. It's best practice register exact match. Upstream transit providers will generally accept more specifics (for RTBH support, for example)
bhicks
01:00:10
I missed where that tool came from to generate the prefix lists
Ryan Harden
01:00:14
Is there an article somewhere that has an easy list of the “If you’re a single entity, these are the objects you should have and what they should look like?” I set up all of the basic objects in RADb ages ago, but I don’t have any import/export policies in place.
Hunter L Fuller - hf0002@uah.edu
01:00:14
John - https://www.radb.net/support/tutorials/query-options-flags.html
Scott Daffron (ODU)
01:00:22
How about fees?
AJ
01:00:27
Kapil: thanks
Dan Massameno
01:00:31
What was the cost to create an account?
Mike Pennington
01:00:37
$395
John W. O'Brien (Penn/MAGPI)
01:00:40
Thank you HLF
Dan Massameno
01:00:48
$395 per year?
szajih saniatan
01:00:51
is the chat also being recorded?
Adair Thaxton
01:01:11
We will grab the chat logs, yes.
Hunter L Fuller - hf0002@uah.edu
01:01:23
anyone in here can do More -> Save Chat, just above the text box
Mike Pennington
01:01:38
After your registration is complete, you will be invoiced for the annual subscription fee of $395.You will have the option to pay online or by phone.
szajih saniatan
01:01:39
thanks
kfitzgerald
01:02:30
What is the "member-of" field in "route" used for. How should it be set?
Rick Cheung
01:02:47
Do we need to have the import/export policies defined by that Sept timeframe, or just instantiation of the aut-num and other object-types?
Larry Blunk - Merit (AS237)
01:04:14
member-of field is used to declare that the prefix is a member of a particular route-set. It is not frequently used.
John Center
01:04:55
I thought inport & export was being replaced with mp-import & mp-export. Is this the case?
John Center
01:05:50
Is RPKI going to be part of this?
Jeff Bartig
01:06:54
Rick: import/export policies? Depends. If your ASN peers directly with Internet2, we are asking that you populate the export field, so we know which AS-SET Internet2 should be using for filtering. If you don’t peer directly with Internet2, then it depends upon the other networks you might peer with.
Scott Daffron (ODU)
01:06:54
If we have a downstream that wouldn't want to go through all this, is it possible for us to include their announcements in our RADB records? Is this possible/permissable?
Jeff Bartig
01:07:41
Scott: Yes, you can use your maintainer to register objects for your downstream customers. That is very common and referred to as “proxy registering"
szajih saniatan
01:09:13
is it safe to say if we are registered under ARIN, then google will not filter our prefixes?
[Emory] Scott Davis
01:09:56
It looks like a former provider proxy registered my org but they haven’t been a transit for us in several years. Any direction on correcting that entry? Can I determine the source IRR?
kmm6b
01:10:26
Same thing here (old provider)
Larry Blunk - Merit (AS237)
01:11:01
The source IRR is identified in the "source:" field in the object. Merit can only remove objects which have a "source: RADB" field.
[Emory] Scott Davis
01:11:10
thanks!
[Emory] Scott Davis
01:11:45
Reads RADB looks like I came to the right meeting
Dave Diller
01:13:21
sounds like the cruft problem is an issue for proxy-reg. routes check in, but never check out. whoever put them in there rarely deletes them when the contract ends… I’m facing the same issue with ZenEdge.
Brad Fleming
01:13:22
@scott Cleaning up old, incorrect proxy registered objects is pretty straightforward. Snag the output from a whois lookup. Get the contact associated with the maintainer that created the object. Author an email with the whois output and states specifically what the problem is (bad origin, bad length, whatever). Most of the incorrect proxy registered objects in our case were in the Level3 database and were fairly easy to clean up.
Brad Fleming
01:14:28
we only had one problem child.. an ISP that had been sold multiple times and nobody understood what we were talking about. CenturyLink was kind enough to work with us once I showed them all of our attempts to communicate the problem.
[Emory] Scott Davis
01:15:54
thanks!